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Susan Blackmore: Memes and "temes"
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Tags: Blackmore brain culture design evolution memes Susan technology ted tedtalks
Channel: Science & Technology
Uploaded: June 4, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Author: TEDtalksDirector
Length: 21:01
Rating: 4.63
Views: 17163
http://www.ted.com Susan Blackmore studies memes: ideas that replicate themselves from brain to brain like a virus. She makes a bold new argument: Humanity has spawned a new kind of meme, the teme, which spreads itself via technology -- and invents ways to keep itself alive
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Kammarick (September 6, 2008 at 7:54 pm) |
| Paradox is the only weapon against memes tiranny. As a mutant meme itself paradox does not settle down and reply as an usual memetic complex, for Paradox does not behave as an axiom but as (anti)praxis.
This whole post of mine is false. |
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kenny756 (August 30, 2008 at 10:43 pm) |
| amazing talk |
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andid (August 30, 2008 at 9:37 am) |
| Things more suited to their environment don't die as often, so on the large time scale replication appears smart because we happen to be alive, but bad info. survives too. And as info. reaches more complex levels, faulty information does greater damage. In genes, mutation & disease. In memes, religion, war. In temes, nuclear NRG, genetic engineering, smart computers etc. They are all potentials for death. But if this lady's right it appears we aren't in control, perhaps we never were. |
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magua73 (August 28, 2008 at 8:45 am) |
| The word "design" is a tricky word as it still conveys intelligence or agency behind it for many. Thus it becomes difficult when talking about memes and design not attributing agency properties on the memes, even worst it gets when memes also show emergency properties.
I do that mistake, she does too but I think it most due to the limitations of language and interlinked concepts which are difficult to shake off. |
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jonathanled (August 28, 2008 at 8:32 am) |
| "Besides we are also talking about design without the aid of mind, which is still a difficult concept."
- could you perhaps elaborate a bit on that? |
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jonathanled (August 28, 2008 at 8:26 am) |
| (...) a point of view which enables you to determine what is good in a very ultimate way - sort of a Gods point of view. And I do not believe that sort of view-point exists.
I think Bateson was trying to point to other ways of knowing - besides knowing with your rational intellect, and that - to me - is a point totally missed by the meme-discussion. (But of course I do not pretend to know that much about the meme-line of thinking).
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jonathanled (August 28, 2008 at 8:18 am) |
| But on what timescale - a lot of adaptations have proved useful at one time but, when conditions have changed (perhaps because the action of the species have changed the habitat or niche), have proven disastrous.
In my humble understanding evolution is not about improving - evolution is a stochastic proces of suggesting new ways of being with the environment - some work well enough others don't.
I can try to pinpoint why I disagree with the improvement-terminology: It presupposes a (...) |
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magua73 (August 28, 2008 at 8:11 am) |
| If you like Bateson, you should then recognize a lot of what she is talking about in Bateson's work. Bateson was way ahead of his time with is Cybernectics and system theory, if he had been alive today I would have love to hear him talk about memetics.
Memetics are complex system of patterns with emergency properties, thus you shouldn't be surprised if they appear to have a "mind" of their own.
Besides we are also talking about design without the aid of mind, which is still a difficult concept. |
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jonathanled (August 28, 2008 at 8:10 am) |
| (...) such as memes.
I don't know about them memes... perhaps they are more an expression of warring factions in the science community than they are true descriptions of what is really going on.
Anyway - give Bateson a try. A related book could perhaps be 'The Embodied Mind' by Rosch, Thompson and Varela or check out the Buddhist conception of interdependence.
Best regards |
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jonathanled (August 28, 2008 at 8:05 am) |
| (...) Bateson also was very concerned with what har called 'muddled thinking' - what I've come to take as thinking which somehow distort the way reality is structured and which often leads to actions which does not take into account the often circular way causality functions in the biological world of which we are part. An example of muddled thinking, I think, is the attribution af human characteristics (intention, the ability to use or exploit other systems) to sub-personal entities (...) |
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